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they are folding on the debt ceiling. they are hoping the timing will be better to deal with the sequestration with the debt ceiling but that is cosmetics. john is right. the premise of your question is right. this is a party that lost its way, lost its vision, lost its approach and the president is trying --. >>gregg: the president's approval rating is 53 percent and negative 48 percent and that is almost the lowest of any second-term president in six decades. nixon did better than that. however, look at the house of representatives republicans. they are showing disapproval rating at 73 percent. >> they have been perceived at negative, out of touch positions that are not popular. >>gregg: gay rights and tax rights? >> and they fit into the demonization they are protecting the rights of the rich. >> they do not have a pro growth agenda, creating jobs, they do not have a message. >>gregg: and the republican party is out of touch according to six in ten. five in ten, they rank poor on climate change and women's issue. >> th
they are folding on the debt ceiling. they are hoping the timing will be better to deal with the sequestration with the debt ceiling but that is cosmetics. john is right. the premise of your question is right. this is a party that lost its way, lost its vision, lost its approach and the president is trying --. >>gregg: the president's approval rating is 53 percent and negative 48 percent and that is almost the lowest of any second-term president in six decades. nixon did better than that....
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do you think he'll be successful avoiding a terrible bruising battle over the debt ceiling? >> i think the president will be successful. the president won, and he won big, and people must respect that. he has the know-how, the skill, the gut to lead. he must tell people when he speak tomorrow during his inaugural that we must come together and look out for the common good and work together and be prepared to compromise. >> but that art of compromise is something we have not seen much of lately in this nation's capital on capitol hill. without a re-election campaign looming ahead, do you think the parties will be able to better work together with this this president in his second term? >> i think we all must work together with this president, not just democrat, not just liberals, but republicans and conservatives. if people fail to come together and work together the republican party will be a party of the past. >> tomorrow is a big day, a great day. a man you called your brother would have been 84. what is his legacy today? how will you read that? >> well, it's a different d
do you think he'll be successful avoiding a terrible bruising battle over the debt ceiling? >> i think the president will be successful. the president won, and he won big, and people must respect that. he has the know-how, the skill, the gut to lead. he must tell people when he speak tomorrow during his inaugural that we must come together and look out for the common good and work together and be prepared to compromise. >> but that art of compromise is something we have not seen...
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he is know chummy with the republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation. for that reason and other, his looming confirmation hearing could be bumpy. but if confirmed, lew will likely be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the count re's long-term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple to the tenor of our times with the budget woes, with the economy that can't get over the hump. it's going to consume most of his time, i believe, in the second term. >> what he cannot do, going into this term is go from economic crisis to economic crisis. that's not leadership. what he will have to do is figure out how we address this in a broader policy way. >> health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait and won't wait another year. >> he chose kansas governor kathleen sebelius to get health care legislation done, he largely passed control over to continuing to get -- to congress to get the bill together. it became a messy process, about a 2,000-plus-page bill. >> this notion that this h
he is know chummy with the republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation. for that reason and other, his looming confirmation hearing could be bumpy. but if confirmed, lew will likely be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the count re's long-term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple to the tenor of our times with the budget woes, with the economy that can't get over the hump. it's going to...
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it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people got rid of it, because what jonas is saying, it's political. and the second issue is, i don't want our economy held hostage and run by washington, right now, the buffoons in congress have more power over the economy with the, you know, stupid idea. if we give them this type of power we've hurt ourselves, kick
it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a...
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how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the american people said by god, get something done. >> are they right? >> look, it did work. boehner has also indicated he's not going to deal with the president one-on-one. they're going to go through the regular order. the senate is going to have to do something, the house is going to have to do something. they're going to meet in conference and send it to the presidency. i think the president's legacy to go big, to get a grand bargain, to have long-term economic growth but also to have a legacy of fiscal sustainability could be his major legacy piece. and i think even though he wants to do guns, even thoug
how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the...
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. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we have every dollar of the debt ceiling goes to spending of that same amount. they've conceded they're going to extend the debt ceiling without any cuts. but that moves us to now where government funding expires on march 31th. at that point, we'll have a s w showdown in which republicans insist on spending cuts. there will still be some kind of fight. we will have a clock to some kind of catastrophic event that could happen, like we had in december. but it would not be with the debt ceiling. the republicans seem to have conceded to the o
. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt...
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ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which expires the first of march. and then of course, we have the so-called, i don't know what to call it, but it is not the cliff, but it is not what i would call it. >> the curb. >> yes, the curb beginning to kick in, and we need to work with that and i think that they are trying to line it up to camouflage whatever they may do, which i think will be toote to let the debt ceiling go up. >> okay. so i should not see this as we say in the black church, a "come to jesus" moment, but in washington they say we are outmanned on this, so we will have to give the president his way, because the wind of public opinio
ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which...
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantor made a very declarative statement today. we're going to bring this to a vote, and when you do that, usually you think you have the votes, but immediately there were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. so it remains to be
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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debt ceiling all together. liz: plus we have the bond king of canada who knows plenty about our markets. five years ago he said that investors had the opportunity of a lifetime to buy stocks, just as we hit bottom, and we saw that bubble explode. well, he was right. now, what is he saying? 2013 holds the second buy of a lifetime? what is it? and how can you take advantage of it? he is here to talk about it. david: liz has that interview all to herself because i can't begin to pronounce his name. let's tell you what drove the markets. mixed day on wall street with s&p and dow closing in the green. all three major indices ending the week higher. industrials and energy were today's top performing sectors while technology was the only sector ending the day lower. and oil ending the week in the green after the international energy agency raised its global oil demand forecast for the whole year. crude's settling the week up 2.1% at $95.56 a barrel and consumer confidence falling for the second month in a row, droppin
debt ceiling all together. liz: plus we have the bond king of canada who knows plenty about our markets. five years ago he said that investors had the opportunity of a lifetime to buy stocks, just as we hit bottom, and we saw that bubble explode. well, he was right. now, what is he saying? 2013 holds the second buy of a lifetime? what is it? and how can you take advantage of it? he is here to talk about it. david: liz has that interview all to herself because i can't begin to pronounce his...
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next few months, with this debt ceiling fight. and try to extract more spending cuts out of democrats over the next few months. but again it has become clear through this strategy, appears we're going to have these spending and budgeting fight pretty much every few months in washington, as no long-term strategy is yet to emerge. back to you. ashley: you're thrilled by that, rich edson, thanks so much. tracy: poor guy. all right, let's talk more about that. house republicans laying out their strategy in this debt ceiling fight but will this no budget, no pay thing work to address our physical problems? joining us now, douglas holtz-eakin, president of the american action for rim. rich is talking about we're basically punting the debt ceiling three months. should the republicans drop the debt ceiling fight all together and focus on sequester, continuing resolution? they probably have more room to fight? >> getting it in this order, putting debt ceiling last, other bills first is to their advantage because they're fighting about spen
next few months, with this debt ceiling fight. and try to extract more spending cuts out of democrats over the next few months. but again it has become clear through this strategy, appears we're going to have these spending and budgeting fight pretty much every few months in washington, as no long-term strategy is yet to emerge. back to you. ashley: you're thrilled by that, rich edson, thanks so much. tracy: poor guy. all right, let's talk more about that. house republicans laying out their...
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might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday and then again today.
might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the...
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people are now saying if debt ceiling is taken care of or deferred we don't have much to worry about. i think we have a little cold shower if we're looking at the economic growth forecast that involved major cuts whether it's sequestration, short-term government shutdown. i'm not an alarmist about what is going none d.c. but i feel like what we've done is the consensus has really been oscillating between over anticipating terrible things from d.c. to under anticipating them. i think we are in the latter situation right now. >> michael, it is joe. we may or may not next week get the announcement of a dell deal or potentially the deal falls through. what type of impact do you see in terms of sentiment on the overall s&p there would be if an actual deal is to occur or if it falls apart? >> i think it has to be followed by others. i think i actually feel like it is a one off thing. people are obviously eager to see something get done. you want to see the capital markets be able to achieve what on paper seems like an obvious deal. a company that probably should be private. and so i do thi
people are now saying if debt ceiling is taken care of or deferred we don't have much to worry about. i think we have a little cold shower if we're looking at the economic growth forecast that involved major cuts whether it's sequestration, short-term government shutdown. i'm not an alarmist about what is going none d.c. but i feel like what we've done is the consensus has really been oscillating between over anticipating terrible things from d.c. to under anticipating them. i think we are in...
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that of course is bumping against and going through the debt ceiling. you know, when the president had his press conference discussing this i always like a good food analogy. his analogy was of course by not raising the debt ceiling we're not paying for the food we've eaten. basically at this big dinner we're at. i like it. let me give it a little slant my style. that is, it's not really a restaurant but an all you can eat buffet. there is no bill coming. the senate and house haven't passed a budget together in years. we have a revolving credit, a tab at this all you can eat buffet and nobody wants to get up. it is not like there is a clock where boom. here is your bill. we'll start the next 24 hours like your charting machines. nobody is ever getting up. it's just a meal that never ends. so how do you in essence stop the eating, stop the debt that is created by running up the tab? well, it seems easy enough but of course it gets messy and the politics are different than the principles involved. the house republicans seem to have finally figured that ou
that of course is bumping against and going through the debt ceiling. you know, when the president had his press conference discussing this i always like a good food analogy. his analogy was of course by not raising the debt ceiling we're not paying for the food we've eaten. basically at this big dinner we're at. i like it. let me give it a little slant my style. that is, it's not really a restaurant but an all you can eat buffet. there is no bill coming. the senate and house haven't passed a...
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they'll push -- the question is how -- how do they push on the debt ceiling? do they say, look, we'll give you a short-term extension of the debt ceiling for a certain amount of spending cuts, or we'll give you a long-term extension like you want for even more spending cuts. can they force entitlement reform around medicare, for instance, even some of the -- in their view -- more limited things that the president wants to do around means testing and age and indexing to try to attach that to a debt-limit deal. do they move beyond the debt limit, try to get to the continuing resolutions and those kinds of things? they recognize that this is the only area of leverage that they have, but they want to be careful about it. >> so chuck todd, how does the white house deal with that supposed leverage? >> well, first i think the republicans are hoping that they have a manti te'o defense, that somehow it was all a hoax and maybe the election was a hoax and they can go back and redo everything. no. i think the republican -- the white house strategy is make the house repub
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let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to reduce the security that people expect in their old age. so we're talking about social security here. talking about mid care. we're talking about medicaid. these are foundations for the future life of most of the working population of the country at the moment. if you cut them, people will draw back in their current activity, at least to some degree. >> right. >> so you're basically saying you're going to do something which will squeeze people's living standards out in the future. it will not have any direct effect today on economic activity. except to the extent that people
let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to...
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits down the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme this is it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central baghdad related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rating credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well if you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework actually looking a little hood and seeing whether an investment was was a really safe as people said it was author of the devil's derivative and
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how would it be impact full on people's portfolios if there is not a debt ceiling bill? >> i think what is going to happen is that i think investors are actually being very pragmatic about how they are addressing the issues in washington. investors are incredibly adaptive creatures. so what you're seeing is investors right now, okay. rather than looking for the big deal, let's clear these turtles. liz: come home like they're missing the rally. >> but they are starting to see levels of engagement. the notion that everyone is on the sidelines is misplaced. plenty of cash, zero people are selectively engaging. we are trying to get people to engage in a thoughtful way in areas where we think the risk/reward clearly favors you. liz: the people feel that 40 percent of significantly better than one year ago. 56 percent get about their financial situation. inching higher. they are not doing much with it to make the money to capitalize. if you were to advise people watching right now about the fear that drenches them at night or is that they will get bank again $ 2009 to march a
how would it be impact full on people's portfolios if there is not a debt ceiling bill? >> i think what is going to happen is that i think investors are actually being very pragmatic about how they are addressing the issues in washington. investors are incredibly adaptive creatures. so what you're seeing is investors right now, okay. rather than looking for the big deal, let's clear these turtles. liz: come home like they're missing the rally. >> but they are starting to see levels...
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. >>> onto the debt ceiling. the deadline approaching so it washington on the verge of killing an economy that many people think is actually experiencing a very nice little rebound? we're going to ask loan ceo jim tisch when "power lunch" returns. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >>> four days before the inauguration the latest nbc wall street journal poll is out with the breaking news. john harwood in washington. john? >> tyler, we've just got one question. the full poll comes out tonight but this shows you some of the difficulty president obama is going to face with this gun control issue he's pursuing. look at the public image of the national rifle association. it shows you it's a pretty tough target. at three different decision points after tragedies, columbine they had
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we don't have to raise debt ceiling if sequestration happens. as a result republicans had a bargaining chip. lori: talk about the investments. emerging markets you like china and asia. in our tease we said germany too. >> yes. lori: i don't know if germany is really emerging markets. we'll start with emerging markets and move on. >> 2012 to 2013, 2012 we were heavily allocated in the u.s. now we're looking back overseas again. i'm not suggesting a dark cloud over europe is gone right now but i do think there are great opportunities in northern europe and germany remains as the one gem in europe in terms of that economic prowess. lori: tell me about the emerging markets. these economies in many ways are outperforming the u.s. many say put emerging markets into retirement if you want to earn a decent yield at this point you have to mix it up with the emerging markets. not alternative investment it used to be. >> correct. the old bric trade from 2007 and pull out r and o, invest in brazil and china those are two countries to be in. europe and u.s.
we don't have to raise debt ceiling if sequestration happens. as a result republicans had a bargaining chip. lori: talk about the investments. emerging markets you like china and asia. in our tease we said germany too. >> yes. lori: i don't know if germany is really emerging markets. we'll start with emerging markets and move on. >> 2012 to 2013, 2012 we were heavily allocated in the u.s. now we're looking back overseas again. i'm not suggesting a dark cloud over europe is gone...
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take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the trade of many people's lifetimes, but with the courages sill at multiyear lows. and the meeting next week, will the trade last? it's the "money in motion" section. good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you guys. what about this dollar/yen trade? obviously the dollar is substantially higher today, but monday/tuesday/wednesday, we've reversed the trend, the yen was actually higher. where do we go from here? >> i think steve's presentation is one of the reasons i'm cautious on this trade. we're within a whisker of the obvious target. i think that trade level will stall. to me i think the better trade is to tak
take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the...
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there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen, right? that's what people say. >> okay. >> relax, steve. >> i'm okay. >> what happens is the rating agencies -- >> your heart rate is going. >> what's that? >> what about the ratings agencies if they were to downgrade us, if we went over, if we went over for a day it's one thing, if we went over and stayed for a week, do they look at it just because washington can't get along, that's reason enough for another downgrade? >> that's a critical question. that's why the democrats are likely to define default as missing any government payment becaus
there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen,...
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government to avoid defaulting on its debts even if the debt ceiling is not raised. >> and there is no reason for the government to default unless president obama and the democrats want us to. it's just a scare tactic to continue the spending that they don't want to address. that's why they keep saying, "oh, we're going to default. we're going to default. we're going to default." it's just not true. >> reporter: but talk like that scares many budget analysts in washington. they argue markets will see a failure by the unit ed states to pay any of its bills as a threat it could one day stop paying some or all of its bills, including interest on its debt. >> if we pay the chinese the interest we owe them on their sovereign debt holdings, on time and in full, but we don't pay social security recipients or armed services personnel their salaries, is that a default? well, of course it is. >> reporter: a recent inspector general's report found the treasury doesn't have the computer systems in prioritize some payments over others. so if the treasury runs short of cash, it would most likely del
government to avoid defaulting on its debts even if the debt ceiling is not raised. >> and there is no reason for the government to default unless president obama and the democrats want us to. it's just a scare tactic to continue the spending that they don't want to address. that's why they keep saying, "oh, we're going to default. we're going to default. we're going to default." it's just not true. >> reporter: but talk like that scares many budget analysts in washington....
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debt ceiling. what are you going to scare us with about washington after that's over and you faked everyone out and got them to sell? i rolled my eyes, i defended myself, saying that all three of threes issues were and are worthy of worry and i told people to stay the course, like he could care. he said, again, what washington horror story are you going to gin up, cramer? and i said impact on spending of higher taxes, coming affordable care act, instead i said wisely no, that's it. maybe it would be good if you focused on the stock market again. ouch! but it did get me thinking. we have seen bank stocks go higher, today, last week, putting washington behind them. and it didn't look like the bank killing dodd frank had much impact on goldman sachs or jp morgan. high-end retails rally, and it incurred, and we keep acting as it has, and no cessation of home buying according to lennar, and the sandy bailout will kick in by the end of the second quarter, home depot will fly. we're through two of the was
debt ceiling. what are you going to scare us with about washington after that's over and you faked everyone out and got them to sell? i rolled my eyes, i defended myself, saying that all three of threes issues were and are worthy of worry and i told people to stay the course, like he could care. he said, again, what washington horror story are you going to gin up, cramer? and i said impact on spending of higher taxes, coming affordable care act, instead i said wisely no, that's it. maybe it...
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let's talk about the debt ceiling debate. we are all focused on this week and the president has been talking about it. what is your view on whether spending cuts should be part of the debt ceiling debate? i think that would be a serious mistake. i'm a republican, i have been so since i voted for ike in 1962 and let me tell you ie mistake. you are not talking about one thing that has to do with cutting spending. you're talking about everything and he paying your debts of the guys in the congress talk about an republican republicans drama. and every one of them has something to do with wanting ... and now you have to pay it. and you better pay and where your country is clearly facing a dire consequences. it shows that you don't give a whit about who's president. >> do you agree with the president and you think that we are risking what? a selloff in the market? 2001. >> what's going to happen if it comes to the worst case scenario here? >> somebody will say, don't forget, we all $16.4 trillion. half of that is owned by private p
let's talk about the debt ceiling debate. we are all focused on this week and the president has been talking about it. what is your view on whether spending cuts should be part of the debt ceiling debate? i think that would be a serious mistake. i'm a republican, i have been so since i voted for ike in 1962 and let me tell you ie mistake. you are not talking about one thing that has to do with cutting spending. you're talking about everything and he paying your debts of the guys in the congress...
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debt ceiling. the last obstacle may be the least dangerous, judging by what happened last year with the overly dreaded debt downgrade and what's happening now. take your cue from the markets. here is the bottom line. washington fright fest is almost over, people. maybe time to break out the dr. strangelove handbook and learn how to stopped worrying and love the irrelevant gridlock that will soon face, once the debt ceiling is raised, and politics cease to be the biggest factor in our investment thinking. kevin in washington, kevin. >> caller: booyah, mr. brilliant one. a quick question. you know, with the higher cost of foods and energy, and the lower incomes we're all expecting, the average working person, do you think we can return to the dependence on our credit cards? if we are, is master card a good buy? >> i like master card, my charitable trust owns it, ebay, that stock soaring in afterhours. master card is a paper to plastic worldwide trend, not so much we get hooked in debt or not. and i'v
debt ceiling. the last obstacle may be the least dangerous, judging by what happened last year with the overly dreaded debt downgrade and what's happening now. take your cue from the markets. here is the bottom line. washington fright fest is almost over, people. maybe time to break out the dr. strangelove handbook and learn how to stopped worrying and love the irrelevant gridlock that will soon face, once the debt ceiling is raised, and politics cease to be the biggest factor in our investment...
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we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need restraint of a debt ceiling to prevent the spending from even going further? >> no. and it doesn't restrain spending at all. congress makes the decisions as to what to spend, what the level of taxation should be, what the level of spending should be. the debt ceiling is just there and, says you can not pay the bills that you voted to incur a year ago and two years ago and three years ago. and that is just wrong. now it used to be harmless in that the debt ceiling would be raised with a little demagoguing here and there but no one ever seriously suggested not raising it. it w
we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need...
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ceiling issue. >> on the debt ceiling. >> that's not what he's doing. that's the reality. >> the american public has got to step up and say we understand the government in washington is too bloated. we're spending more money than we take in. we eve got to live within our means. they ought to demand, the american public, that we quit the nonsensical spending. in states we're doing more with less. we've cut our budgets and we're providing better services now and a leaner more efficient fashion. the federal government should do the same thing, and president obama is the one person who can lead on this issue. grow the economy by bringing in some certainty to it. if he wants to fight hard for tax rate increases, he ought to be fighting just as hard for spending cuts. >> you know, governor, he made an interesting point during his news conference this week where he said if -- if this debate is just about reducing the fiscal deficit, he's on board and let's get it done, but he suspects that there are a lot of conservative republicans out there for whom this deb
ceiling issue. >> on the debt ceiling. >> that's not what he's doing. that's the reality. >> the american public has got to step up and say we understand the government in washington is too bloated. we're spending more money than we take in. we eve got to live within our means. they ought to demand, the american public, that we quit the nonsensical spending. in states we're doing more with less. we've cut our budgets and we're providing better services now and a leaner more...
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that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer. hope you will come back and join us again sometime. >> thank you. >> second inauguration of president obama takes place on monday, january 21st. that will martin luther king, jr. he will be sworn in on the day before, the 20th, as per the constitution. i will host a special cnbc event. it begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. that is, monday, martin luther king, jr. day. >> sue? >> ty, shares of lululemon continue to be under pressure on the back of the latest outlook. what is ahead for the yoga appear el maker? courtney is live in miami. courtney? ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer
that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer....